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tom999 · Feb 27, 2009, 07:29 PM // 19:29

are they any good?

post any ideas for builds

sosycpsycho · Feb 27, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50

this should probably be in the mesmer forum

Degen mesmer can be ok, same as degen Necro but I feel where both classes shine is not in raw degen. Damage over time is good but some spike is nice to push that red bar to flatline. Is this for pve or pvp? Your strength as a mesmer is in interupts and dmg reversal and I think you will want a little of all of it.

I have used Virulance Spike before it combines a good combo of degen and spike.

-Ether Feast
- Fragility
- Accumulated Pain
- Virulence [E]
- Images of Remorse
- Ethereal Burden
- Leech Signet / interrupt
- Res Signet / Sunspear Signet / optional

Base stats (+proposed runes):
Illusion: 12 (+3+1)
Inspiration: 11 (+1)
Fast Casting: 6 (+1)

Use:
Cast fragility & cover it with Images of Remorse (-55,-3 degen). If your target doesnt suffer from any conditions caused by your party mates then cast Accumulated Pain (-37,deep wound), followed by virulence.
If the target already suffers from a condition you might as well move straight to virulence & cast accumulated pain after, it depends a bit on the strength of the target.
Ethereal Burden gives you 23 energy after 10 sec (max that is, the target may die / remove the hex sooner) so your timing depends a bit on your situation.
Leech Signet & Ether Feast are personal preferences, I hate going in without any kind of self heal or interrupt. Depending on your party composition, those 2 can be considered optional

Build

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MagmaRed · Feb 27, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51

Post this in the Mesmer forum of the Campfire if you want to discuss Mesmer builds. In general, your question can't be answered. Any good is a very vague question - good for PvP, PvE, AB, elite missions, HM, NM, etc. Builds being good or not depend on where and why you are using it.

Painbringer · Feb 27, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58

Its kind of a solo target builds when you build around Illusion. Low levels you will own , but large mobs higher levels it will get owned.

Stealth Bomberman · Feb 27, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04

PvE: [ether nightmare], thats all you need.

tom999 · Feb 27, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08

i was thinking something like this for PvE

[build prof=Me/N illusion=10+3+1 bloodmagic=12 fastcasting=8+1][Life Transfer][Life Siphon][Conjure Nightmare][Conjure Phantasm][Ether Nightmare (Luxon)][Cry of Pain][Accumulated Pain][Resurrection Signet][/build]

or

[build prof=Me/Any illusion=10+3+1 fastcasting=10+1 inspiration=11][Recurring Insecurity][Ether Feast][Conjure Nightmare][Conjure Phantasm][Ether Nightmare (Luxon)][Cry of Pain][Accumulated Pain][Resurrection Signet][/build]

turbo234 · Feb 27, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22

tom you realize degen caps at -10 right.

tom999 · Feb 27, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28

yeah but im thinking for multiple targets here

so i could have LT on one enemy, CN on another, CP and EN on a third etc

Luminarus · Feb 28, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by tom999

yeah but im thinking for multiple targets here

so i could have LT on one enemy, CN on another, CP and EN on a third etc

LT & EN are AoE. In pve, those 2 will max out the degen on the whole mob. In pvp, a build like that is a waste.

turbo234 · Feb 28, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46

making a build with only degen will even make mobs in pve laugh at you. bomberman said it all you need is [ether nightmare]

ac1inferno · Feb 28, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53

I would think a Necro is better for degening, but just for the sake of it, here's a degen Mesmer build that might work decently.

[build prof=me/e ill=11+1 fast=10+1+1 ins=10+1][fevered dreams][shrinking armor][accumulated pain][drain delusions][glyph of lesser energy][ether nightmare][cry of pain][sunspear rebirth signet][/build]

Feb 27, 2009, 07:29 PM // 19:29	#1
tom999 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: House of Lord Darcia [HoLD] Profession: W/	Degen Mesmer are they any good? post any ideas for builds

Feb 27, 2009, 11:08 PM // 23:08	#6
tom999 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: House of Lord Darcia [HoLD] Profession: W/	i was thinking something like this for PvE [build prof=Me/N illusion=10+3+1 bloodmagic=12 fastcasting=8+1][Life Transfer][Life Siphon][Conjure Nightmare][Conjure Phantasm][Ether Nightmare (Luxon)][Cry of Pain][Accumulated Pain][Resurrection Signet][/build] or [build prof=Me/Any illusion=10+3+1 fastcasting=10+1 inspiration=11][Recurring Insecurity][Ether Feast][Conjure Nightmare][Conjure Phantasm][Ether Nightmare (Luxon)][Cry of Pain][Accumulated Pain][Resurrection Signet][/build] Last edited by tom999; Feb 27, 2009 at 11:11 PM // 23:11..

Feb 27, 2009, 08:50 PM // 20:50	#2
sosycpsycho Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2008 Location: Atlanta Guild: Krazy Guild With Krazy People[KrZy]	this should probably be in the mesmer forum Degen mesmer can be ok, same as degen Necro but I feel where both classes shine is not in raw degen. Damage over time is good but some spike is nice to push that red bar to flatline. Is this for pve or pvp? Your strength as a mesmer is in interupts and dmg reversal and I think you will want a little of all of it. I have used Virulance Spike before it combines a good combo of degen and spike. -Ether Feast - Fragility - Accumulated Pain - Virulence [E] - Images of Remorse - Ethereal Burden - Leech Signet / interrupt - Res Signet / Sunspear Signet / optional Base stats (+proposed runes): Illusion: 12 (+3+1) Inspiration: 11 (+1) Fast Casting: 6 (+1) Use: Cast fragility & cover it with Images of Remorse (-55,-3 degen). If your target doesnt suffer from any conditions caused by your party mates then cast Accumulated Pain (-37,deep wound), followed by virulence. If the target already suffers from a condition you might as well move straight to virulence & cast accumulated pain after, it depends a bit on the strength of the target. Ethereal Burden gives you 23 energy after 10 sec (max that is, the target may die / remove the hex sooner) so your timing depends a bit on your situation. Leech Signet & Ether Feast are personal preferences, I hate going in without any kind of self heal or interrupt. Depending on your party composition, those 2 can be considered optional Build AFNAYBP7gCmAcw1wgrF0DEAA

Feb 27, 2009, 08:51 PM // 20:51	#3
MagmaRed Furnace Stoker Join Date: Mar 2007 Guild: Our Crabs Know True [LOVE] Profession: R/	Post this in the Mesmer forum of the Campfire if you want to discuss Mesmer builds. In general, your question can't be answered. Any good is a very vague question - good for PvP, PvE, AB, elite missions, HM, NM, etc. Builds being good or not depend on where and why you are using it.

Feb 27, 2009, 08:58 PM // 20:58	#4
Painbringer Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Minnesota Guild: Black Widows of Death Profession: W/Mo	Its kind of a solo target builds when you build around Illusion. Low levels you will own , but large mobs higher levels it will get owned.

Feb 27, 2009, 09:04 PM // 21:04	#5
Stealth Bomberman Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Oct 2008	PvE: [ether nightmare], thats all you need.

Feb 27, 2009, 11:22 PM // 23:22	#7
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	tom you realize degen caps at -10 right.

Feb 27, 2009, 11:28 PM // 23:28	#8
tom999 Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: House of Lord Darcia [HoLD] Profession: W/	yeah but im thinking for multiple targets here so i could have LT on one enemy, CN on another, CP and EN on a third etc

Feb 28, 2009, 12:46 AM // 00:46	#10
turbo234 Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: WI Profession: Mo/	making a build with only degen will even make mobs in pve laugh at you. bomberman said it all you need is [ether nightmare]

Feb 28, 2009, 02:53 AM // 02:53	#11
ac1inferno Desert Nomad Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Boston Guild: We D Shot Your Stances [GODS] Profession: A/W	I would think a Necro is better for degening, but just for the sake of it, here's a degen Mesmer build that might work decently. [build prof=me/e ill=11+1 fast=10+1+1 ins=10+1][fevered dreams][shrinking armor][accumulated pain][drain delusions][glyph of lesser energy][ether nightmare][cry of pain][sunspear rebirth signet][/build]